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@frazzledfozzle ... that's the issue... There's not a HANG (same high quality) instrument substitute... just imitators.

Cheers!

Massimiliano

in terms of sound alone i think-


massimiliano is right, in the sense that there is NO creation on this planet that matches the Panart hang sound..... -so if you are touched by the hang sound then the halo may not ever offer you the same emotions. ...BUT the sound of the new Halos are immense. many Hangplayers that were initially negative about the halo have changed their opinions drastically!.. the rich deep tones can really warm ones soul! there is some residual 'tank like' sound to the metal but, now that the underside of the vessel has had its form modified, it is perfectly balanced and pleasing to the ear. the halo is made from 1.4mm spun steel which will last a very very long time...and will mature favourably with age. it is a very expressive surface to interact with. if compared with a Bells then a Halo is way more for your money. (and your soul).

Hallo,



I dont made any comments about this topic in my postings. I have said, that you need a quiete place. Where I said, that you cant find such a place at the Hangout?
..... how wrong you are sir!

By the way. You are right. My english is not the best. But I think it is good enough to explain my! opinions. Maybe sometimes a little bit direct and not "sugar-coated" .




You could have this effect much cheaper and maybe better on Udu Drum.



What do you mean exact with "sustain issues"? Do you speak about the low dynamic on the Bells?




There I have a question. I know a few people who visit Luis. Nobody from this people has seen a workshop, where Luis made the Bells.
If you visit Panart you could see the workshop and if you ask Felix or Sabina, they will show you how they tune a Hang and some other aspects from their work. The doors are open.
Has anybody seen Luis workshop?




Yes. I think he has broken laws. The design from the Hang is protected. Also in Spain and many many other areas on the world.
Luis know that. The Bells look so exact like a first generation Hang, that you must look twice if you want to know if this is a Hang or a Bells.

The Bells is not inspired by the Hang it is simple a cheap imitation or forgery!


The Halo is optical very different from the Hang. Not the same problem as with Luis Bells.
Personally I dont like the "Tanksound", but this is a matter of taste.

The concept from Halo seems very different from the Hang concept.
The Hang is optimized for the human anatomy. The metall is strong enough for a very high dynamic, but not so strong that you feel pain if you play it.
The Hang fit on the players lap. And it is importand for the sound of the Hang. The Hang awakened if the GU and the DING are united to an harmonious whole. You must change the angle of the legs to find this point.
On a stand the Hang work not well. It is an instrument for the human.

The Halo is so big and heavy. On a lot of youtube videos I see players who has trouble to balance the Halo on their lap. And this are not very small people. I think with short legs it is not possible.
Pantheon sell Halo stands on their website and so I think the concept on the Halo is another. You dont need the lap to awake the sound.

The Hang is a globe. The sound radiation is spherically/globular. The Hangplayer and the Hang merge. The Hangplayer is inside the sound, he is part of the sound and he could feel the strong power and energy of the sound.


Frank

Hi Funky
I'ts interesting that you should say "

If you visit Panart you could see the workshop and if you ask Felix or Sabina, they will show you how they tune a Hang and some other aspects from their work. The doors are open.
Has anybody seen Luis workshop"

I've seen many many posts here saying dont bother to turn up at the hanghouse to see Felix and Sabina because they wont open the doors to you but now you say the "doors are open"?

Which is it open or shut?

Ta much
frazz

Hallo Frazz,

yes, you are right. A little bit unclear expressed, from me. Thank you.

The doors are open for the people who are invited to visit Panart. It is not possible without an appointment to visit Panart.
If you are invited you could see the workshop from Panart, where they make the Hang.

Greetings
Frank

Frank,
After reading your post again I get it now

frazz

2 Frank: i have seen Luises workshop, beyond that i have witnessed how he fine tuned the Bells i got from him, and he has build one instrument during the time i have stayed at his place. Luis work alone that is true. From his words BElls is different from Hang: it is his investigation(that is his words) - he tries different materials, different nitridings(temps, time, cooling time). As he told me he have changed the shape to more bowl like(deeper), because he didnt like the sound when he took mesures from the hang, i believe this is because hang is sunk a little bit deeper during tuning process, and has a stronger "skeleton" and i believe Bells is not made in that way.

I dont like everything that concerns Bells instrument(logo design similar to panart, sound quality compared to the hang, marketing policy), but tell me guys, thoese of you who judge Luis: WHAT DO YOU DO IN LIFE? Lets open the curtain for others to know and judge if you do it right or wrong, will ya?

Hello everyone!

@tanzmeister/Victor:

It's new to me that you have seen Luis' workshop as well as seeing him tune. I'd have bet that you didn't tell me this when we met in spring. Then again, I can't remember exactly since I was tired at the time and russian beer was good. So, nevermind.

Luis „told you things“. Have you verified them? For example the fact that Luis changed the shape of his shells?
Simply measure out the object, please. It is to the dot exactly the same like a Hang shell. Differences are (if at all) within less than 2mm.

On the technicality of „different materials and nitriding“:
Right, so how many options are there? There is a multitude of different tones coming out of JUST ONE kind of material, for example ordinary, cheap and ever available mild steel. Depending on tuning techniques, architectural structure of the notes as well as scales and different pitches, the sound of an object can be adjusted significantly.
And Luis is trying out different things all along? Sorry Victor, you got to be kidding me.

That sounds to me like:
1. Either Luis doesn't have a clue what he is doing. Maybe worth for him to start from scratch and educate himself building Steelpans and exploring the possibilities of JUST ONE material.
2. Luis is deceiving the people interested to buy his object. I mean, he tells someone that he IS trying out new materials, he tells someone else that he is WAITING to get a new batch of steel, and so on.

To me, that looks like great entertainment and it seems to get better every week...

To answer your valid but off topic question: I am currently building instruments for bushfire traumatised communities in Australia. The steelband brings joy back into their lifes, they get together as a group and enjoy the progress they are achieving both socially and musically. Good job.

What do you do in life?

Greetings
we.

@ Werner/ Don't know your name

"BElls is thinner than Hang, and sounds dull" is your point, Oh, wait, NO. I was wrong.

Your point is "Luis is NOT TUNNER, He is a CHEATER" he used the mild steel because it's easy(fast) to "knock"(Of cause Luis can't really tune anything). He does what he did and says what he said just only one intention----To cheat people for a ridiculous high price. The most terrible of his sins is that to imitate whole aspect of Hang.

Say no more, We got it.

Don't be 自以为是

Greetings

Trans / Tang Yan(I didn't have to add my name, I'm no body)

Werner, yes i have seen and played many variations of Bells instrument in Luises workshop: thick, heavy ones, light ones, soft nitrided and hard nitrided ones. I have also seen his prototypes. I have tuned the Bells i got from him because my friend ruined the tuning by droping it: and i must say - it is very hard or under a very big pressure, the. for example: when i have tuned my hang it is very simple to leave a dent on the surface, but it is nearly imposible to do that on the bellls instrument beacuse it is very "springy", yes it lighter and i believe it is not free of external stresses and that is the reason it does'nt apriciate big load. My first prorotypes were made of 0.9mm sheet steеl, wich i believe after sinking went to 0.7 or 0.8mm, But i can hit my instrument pretty hard without any distortion, beacause i free the membrane from external pressure.

I am not a Bells fan, just want to clear some things out(to much speculation around here)

I know what you do in life Werner, i am not asking you - i am asking people who i believe just don't have anything to do in life except discussing aspects of life of other people.
As you know, i am working with the steel, i am exploring the possibilities of tuning and materials, i have a passion for it, this is my life now. i am happy and people around me are aslo happy about this.